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> <channel><title>Comments on: After a self-defense shooting&#8230; Do What the Police Say!</title> <atom:link href="http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say</link> <description>Expert advice from the world&#039;s leading authorities on gun values, gun prices, gun history, gunsmithing, shooting and tactical gear</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 23 May 2013 06:25:04 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator> <item><title>By: Thor</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-19231</link> <dc:creator>Thor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:59:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-19231</guid> <description><![CDATA[I retired as a LEO (college educated) and became a corporate officer/director.  I&#039;m big on the 4th Amendment.
I don&#039;t like LEO&#039;s even leaving public property and trespassing on mine (seems like that is curtilage).So if any guy intrudes (I&#039;ve seen LEO&#039;s do it improperly) and I use deadly force (say I&#039;m working in the garage with ear muffs on and some hot dog kicks in the door and gets himself shot) does the whole house become a crime scene with unresricted movement throught out?  How about if I have a locked door?  Maybe even a locked security door? There is no civil liability for deadly force in my state.No duty to retreat here.  No 3rd party requirement.  No signs. No &quot;registration&quot;.  After 2 states and 3 departments I wonder if I become homeless (dead LEO or not)while crime scene dudes search my abode illegally for things even if I have my front room sealed off with a steel door from the rest of the house.PS  I was on a traffic accident scene last year and got some unexpected (and unusual) guff from a fireman there with his ambulance for another driver.  I warned him that he was about to experience a citizen arrest, taken to the ground (that hand to hand combat from the US Army has paid off), and cuffed (I always carry big wire ties in my belt loops).  He backed off.   Thor]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I retired as a LEO (college educated) and became a corporate officer/director.  I&#8217;m big on the 4th Amendment.<br
/> I don&#8217;t like LEO&#8217;s even leaving public property and trespassing on mine (seems like that is curtilage).</p><p>So if any guy intrudes (I&#8217;ve seen LEO&#8217;s do it improperly) and I use deadly force (say I&#8217;m working in the garage with ear muffs on and some hot dog kicks in the door and gets himself shot) does the whole house become a crime scene with unresricted movement throught out?  How about if I have a locked door?  Maybe even a locked security door? There is no civil liability for deadly force in my state.</p><p>No duty to retreat here.  No 3rd party requirement.  No signs. No &#8220;registration&#8221;.  After 2 states and 3 departments I wonder if I become homeless (dead LEO or not)while crime scene dudes search my abode illegally for things even if I have my front room sealed off with a steel door from the rest of the house.</p><p>PS  I was on a traffic accident scene last year and got some unexpected (and unusual) guff from a fireman there with his ambulance for another driver.  I warned him that he was about to experience a citizen arrest, taken to the ground (that hand to hand combat from the US Army has paid off), and cuffed (I always carry big wire ties in my belt loops).  He backed off.   Thor</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Griz</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-18411</link> <dc:creator>Dr Griz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:26:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-18411</guid> <description><![CDATA[If you do, (Heaven Forbid), have to shoot someone in self defense and dial 911, I&#039;ve always heard that the first words out of your mouth should be:  I need an ambulance and the police at this location.  Then tell the 911 operator who you are, (giving a discription of yourself), where you are and why you need an ambulance and the police, plus any other questions the 911 operator may ask.The reason for this is to have &quot;on record&quot; that you are primarily concerned about your attacker&#039;s health and well being.This may go a long way to prove that you are not just a person with a gun that shot someone.  Should this ever go to court, either criminal or civil, the fact that you were concerned with the suspect&#039;s health may help your case.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you do, (Heaven Forbid), have to shoot someone in self defense and dial 911, I&#8217;ve always heard that the first words out of your mouth should be:  I need an ambulance and the police at this location.  Then tell the 911 operator who you are, (giving a discription of yourself), where you are and why you need an ambulance and the police, plus any other questions the 911 operator may ask.</p><p>The reason for this is to have &#8220;on record&#8221; that you are primarily concerned about your attacker&#8217;s health and well being.</p><p>This may go a long way to prove that you are not just a person with a gun that shot someone.  Should this ever go to court, either criminal or civil, the fact that you were concerned with the suspect&#8217;s health may help your case.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rman622</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16571</link> <dc:creator>rman622</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16571</guid> <description><![CDATA[As far as &quot;take me to the hospital&quot; goes, if you start playing that game with the responding police officers, you are going to use up any benefit of the doubt you may have coming to you.DO NOT hang up that phone.  The only lifeline both you and the cavalry have is that open line. Information is king and the homeowner has all of it.  Failing to answer every question asked of you by the 911 operator puts everyone at risk.When the police are satisfied that things are in hand they will relax.Remember, the cops love to see someone turning the tables on the bad guys.  Afterall, isn&#039;t that what they do for a living?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as &#8220;take me to the hospital&#8221; goes, if you start playing that game with the responding police officers, you are going to use up any benefit of the doubt you may have coming to you.</p><p>DO NOT hang up that phone.  The only lifeline both you and the cavalry have is that open line. Information is king and the homeowner has all of it.  Failing to answer every question asked of you by the 911 operator puts everyone at risk.</p><p>When the police are satisfied that things are in hand they will relax.</p><p>Remember, the cops love to see someone turning the tables on the bad guys.  Afterall, isn&#8217;t that what they do for a living?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joeburge</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16291</link> <dc:creator>joeburge</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:08:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16291</guid> <description><![CDATA[I carry a wallet card printed with this statement right behind my CCH license;“Dear Officer: If I have given this to you, I have unfortunately had to do what was necessary to defend innocent life. I am willing to sign a criminal complaint against the perpetrators(s). I will point out witnesses and evidence.As you may have experienced yourself, this is a stressful and traumatic experience for me. Therefore, I wish to make no further statements until I have contacted an attorney and composed myself. I also do not consent to any searches. I will cooperate fully once I have consulted with an attorney and calmed down. As a lawfully armed citizen, I ask for the same courtesy that you would show a fellow officer who was involved in a similar situation.”]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I carry a wallet card printed with this statement right behind my CCH license;</p><p>“Dear Officer: If I have given this to you, I have unfortunately had to do what was necessary to defend innocent life. I am willing to sign a criminal complaint against the perpetrators(s). I will point out witnesses and evidence.</p><p>As you may have experienced yourself, this is a stressful and traumatic experience for me. Therefore, I wish to make no further statements until I have contacted an attorney and composed myself. I also do not consent to any searches. I will cooperate fully once I have consulted with an attorney and calmed down. As a lawfully armed citizen, I ask for the same courtesy that you would show a fellow officer who was involved in a similar situation.”</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TripWire</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16271</link> <dc:creator>TripWire</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:19:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16271</guid> <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with SmithKoWitz, Are you serious?]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with SmithKoWitz, Are you serious?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TexasFlyer</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16201</link> <dc:creator>TexasFlyer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:22:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16201</guid> <description><![CDATA[Just a couple of caveats regarding some of the things others are saying... The &quot;I was in fear for my life&quot; thing may not cut it if you had the option to retreat. (For example - you walked in the door and found an axe wielding intruder in your home. In states with a duty to retreat - you need to go back out that door whether your afraid or not.) KNOW your state laws on deadly force. For example here in Texas you have no duty to retreat, and can use deadly force to protect a third party. In New York, you have a duty to retreat and the threat must be to your own life not the life of another. Also - in Texas you have the right to use deadly force, in some instances to protect property - but in many / most states you do not. Know the laws of the state you are in! Also - and no offense to the cops reading, including the author but remember that no matter how friendly they seem, the cops are NOT your friend. Silent means SILENT, do not engage in any chitchat with police officers. Dont talk about baseball, the weather, etc. If you do - don&#039;t be surprised when that &quot;friendly cop&quot; is a witness for the prosecution saying &quot;He was cold. Chillingly cold. The poor kid who wanted nothing more in his life but a nobel peace prize and a bag of skittles was laying there face down in a pool of blood and Mr Smith was talking about the Broncos game. I&#039;ve never seen such a stone cold killer!&quot; The only thing you need to say to a cop is &quot;I would like my attorney.&quot;]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of caveats regarding some of the things others are saying&#8230; The &#8220;I was in fear for my life&#8221; thing may not cut it if you had the option to retreat. (For example &#8211; you walked in the door and found an axe wielding intruder in your home. In states with a duty to retreat &#8211; you need to go back out that door whether your afraid or not.) KNOW your state laws on deadly force. For example here in Texas you have no duty to retreat, and can use deadly force to protect a third party. In New York, you have a duty to retreat and the threat must be to your own life not the life of another. Also &#8211; in Texas you have the right to use deadly force, in some instances to protect property &#8211; but in many / most states you do not. Know the laws of the state you are in! Also &#8211; and no offense to the cops reading, including the author but remember that no matter how friendly they seem, the cops are NOT your friend. Silent means SILENT, do not engage in any chitchat with police officers. Dont talk about baseball, the weather, etc. If you do &#8211; don&#8217;t be surprised when that &#8220;friendly cop&#8221; is a witness for the prosecution saying &#8220;He was cold. Chillingly cold. The poor kid who wanted nothing more in his life but a nobel peace prize and a bag of skittles was laying there face down in a pool of blood and Mr Smith was talking about the Broncos game. I&#8217;ve never seen such a stone cold killer!&#8221; The only thing you need to say to a cop is &#8220;I would like my attorney.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin D. Michalowski</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16171</link> <dc:creator>Kevin D. Michalowski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:58:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16171</guid> <description><![CDATA[If your family actually witnessed the event, I would suggest they too remain silent until getting legal representation. They should tell police they will make a complete statement at a later time, once they have calmed down and spoken to an attorney. In some states spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other. Learn the laws of your state. Consult with an attorney before you are in such a situation so you know your rights and legal protection. Consider seeking out and buying an insurance policy that will cover legal representation in the event of a shooting.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your family actually witnessed the event, I would suggest they too remain silent until getting legal representation. They should tell police they will make a complete statement at a later time, once they have calmed down and spoken to an attorney. In some states spouses cannot be compelled to testify against each other. Learn the laws of your state. Consult with an attorney before you are in such a situation so you know your rights and legal protection. Consider seeking out and buying an insurance policy that will cover legal representation in the event of a shooting.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin D. Michalowski</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16161</link> <dc:creator>Kevin D. Michalowski</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:53:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16161</guid> <description><![CDATA[In the state of Wisconsin, deadly force is described as &quot;the use of a firearm or other instrument the use of which would cause a high probability of death.&quot; The justification for the use of deadly force is as follows: Any action that has caused or imminently threatens to cause death or great bodily harm to you or another person or persons.For a threat to be imminent the perpetrator must have a weapon, intent and a delivery system. The weapon can be fists or feet. The intend can be stated or implied by actions.Your actions will be judged by what a reasonable person with same information you had at the time of the actions could be expected to do.Find your state statutes and learn them.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the state of Wisconsin, deadly force is described as &#8220;the use of a firearm or other instrument the use of which would cause a high probability of death.&#8221; The justification for the use of deadly force is as follows: Any action that has caused or imminently threatens to cause death or great bodily harm to you or another person or persons.</p><p>For a threat to be imminent the perpetrator must have a weapon, intent and a delivery system. The weapon can be fists or feet. The intend can be stated or implied by actions.</p><p>Your actions will be judged by what a reasonable person with same information you had at the time of the actions could be expected to do.</p><p>Find your state statutes and learn them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: majord2102</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16151</link> <dc:creator>majord2102</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:41:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16151</guid> <description><![CDATA[Outstanding advice on letting the police and 911 know that you feared for your life. That should be the only time you would use deadly force. Also, keeping quiet until you have your lawyer is another way of keeping yoursself from saying something that could be used aganist you.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding advice on letting the police and 911 know that you feared for your life. That should be the only time you would use deadly force. Also, keeping quiet until you have your lawyer is another way of keeping yoursself from saying something that could be used aganist you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: garyl240</title><link>http://www.gundigest.com/gun-blogs/after-the-shooting-do-what-the-police-say/comment-page-1#comment-16091</link> <dc:creator>garyl240</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:07:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.gundigest.com/?p=169371#comment-16091</guid> <description><![CDATA[As an attorney of 33 years and an avid right to keep and bear arms and CCW supporter, I applaud the author of the article and both earlier comments. I spent 3 years as a staff attorney for one of America&#039;s finest federal police training facilities, and KNOW when law enforcement arrives everyone on the scene is viewed as a bad guy. To not follow police instructions, or anticipate them and have your hands up when they arrive, is frankly stupid. I like the word choice in the article about &quot;I shot at&quot; the person. We attorneys spend literally years parsing out decisions made in a second. And rest assured, everything you say, even before any type of right&#039;s advisement, is going to come back and haunt you. Never, ever, express any positive comment about shooting/killing anyone.]]></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an attorney of 33 years and an avid right to keep and bear arms and CCW supporter, I applaud the author of the article and both earlier comments. I spent 3 years as a staff attorney for one of America&#8217;s finest federal police training facilities, and KNOW when law enforcement arrives everyone on the scene is viewed as a bad guy. To not follow police instructions, or anticipate them and have your hands up when they arrive, is frankly stupid. I like the word choice in the article about &#8220;I shot at&#8221; the person. We attorneys spend literally years parsing out decisions made in a second. And rest assured, everything you say, even before any type of right&#8217;s advisement, is going to come back and haunt you. Never, ever, express any positive comment about shooting/killing anyone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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