Comments on: Gun Collecting: Tokarev’s TT-33 and Its Clones

By: doc_coffin

doc_coffin — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 21:27:04 +0000

Be careful, telling people that the Tokarev and Mauser cartridges are dimensionally identical can get someone HURT! The simple FACT is, they are NOT identical, dimensionally or otherwise!
Being similar to one another, many authors assume this based on what they have read from other dubious sources. Just because something is published. it isn’t necessarily true.
The Mauser and Tokarev cartridges have different brass lengths, the Mauser brass being approx. 20 thousandths longer.
The neck of the Tokarev cartridge is also 5 thousandths shorter and the sholder length is also shorter by 20 thousandths. When the slide of the Tokarev closes on a Mauser round, the brass is thin enough to form to the Tokarev chamber. This means 25 thousandths of excess length of Mauser brass, when fired in a properly cut Tokarev chamber, may rip loose when the brass is ejected and foul the next round as it enters, with disasterous results. Using the Broomhandle standard load could also seat too far forward, pushing the bullet back into the case, or jam it into the rifling, raising initial pressures, although probably not over that of a stiff Tokarev load..
Also, some early factory Mauser ammunition is loaded with .309 and .310 (and .311!) diameter bullets, and could raise chamber pressure in a .308/.309 dia. Tokarev to dangerous levels, here again courting disaster.

Conversely, the shorter factory Tokarev cartridges vary widely in their power levels, depending on when and what they were loaded for.
Also, please be aware that some of the older surplus ammo on the market was hot loaded for the PPSh 41 submachine gun, and may disassemble the Tokarev pistol in your hand when you pull the trigger if your pistol is not up to snuff.

These measurements and statements are facts, measured by myself and most are verifiable by SAAMI standards, and can be looked up or measured for yourself easily.

Please do your research before making flat statements like this in the future. I (and many others, I’m sure) would like to see factual data from sources like this, not comments based on prior supposition and heresay.

By: NICKKER

NICKKER — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:26:31 +0000

the little 7.62×25 digests cheap corosive 1950′s ammo without a hitch.

you can buy new ammo that is loaded a little hotter.

i use this as a sometime carry gun. the best part of this pistol/caliber combo is the 7.62×25 will defeat level 3 body armor. it won’t expand but it will punch holes in kevlar all day long.

wear hearing protection because this pup is LOUD!

neat take off on the original john browning design.

NICKKER

By: Tribune6

Tribune6 — Sat, 07 May 2011 08:59:17 +0000

There was also a conversion kit made by Norinco with a new barrel, recoil spring and instructions for modifying feed rails for .38 Super.

By: cappaletti

cappaletti — Fri, 06 May 2011 10:45:32 +0000

interesting article. I just bought one of these pistols and I’m getting anxious to see how the 7.62×25 responds. thanks

By: hp-hobo

hp-hobo — Thu, 05 May 2011 16:59:12 +0000

Thanks for the article, it was very interesting. I recently purchased an M-57 in 95% condition for under $200. Once I got all the cosmoline off/out of it, it turned out to be a fantastic shooter and is now being used as a carry gun. Why would you want a 1911 when you can get two of these plus a case of ammo for the same price?